This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. This board is for discussing the collecting of bamboo fly rods, both classic and modern. Straight tapers are just that, nobody needs to develop them, as if they did they wouldn't be straight anymore. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. 0.266 . the grip so I did some interpolation. Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. (John Channer), Well, the #13 Payne ferrules that I've mic'd had a female ferrule internal diameter of .203" and the step-down internal diameter of .1875". For example, the 8013 taper I use is .202 at the ferrule end of the tip, and .212 at the ferrule end of the butt. 0.360 (Tim Pembroke). The butt was merely an extension pole to keep the tip further from the ground. All Rights Reserved. (Dennis Higham). Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! Interesting thoughts on line weight and the first 20", I will have to roll that one around in my head for awhile. (Mark Wendt), At least according to Jack Howell's measured tapers in "The Lovely Reed". is obviously your opinion, which you are entitled to. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), As far as being a Straight horizontal Stress Curve it makes NO difference what the rod is as long as the conditions produce a SHSC. 3 wt 0.0638 Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. I'll give you a bit of background on the question. 85 0.296 138357 You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. 65 0.2565 Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! Perhaps it's a European thing to like fast action rods ? Pt 0 is the butt side of the strips. Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. The resulting rod won't know the difference and neither will you when you cast it. Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. There are many ways to skin this cat. My question is, as I plan for my next rod, are these the same rod or is there a difference? Regardless of what any book says about what size ferrule belongs on this or that rod, i look at the flat to flat measurements at the ferrule ends and make my own decision about what ferrule to use. For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? Easy casting and very versatile. I think I originally posted this taper as Russ personally sent it to me. 0.292 Contact us to learn more about how we can help! (Robin Haywood). Grayrock 96. Anyway, far too few people concern themselves over what should be the staple obsession of every rodmaker-design. The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. I've fished mine from a drift boat on the Green river and had great success. The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. Modified Lyle Dickerson 6611 Dry-Fly Action: 6' 6" 3 or 4: 11/64: 2/2: P702: Ponds, creeks . (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. The varnish is in good condition. Are you so precise in your planing that all your stations are bang on, with less than .001"? The hatch did not materialize and the fish did not rise, which gave me time to think of such things. Just give John a call and talk to him very nice guy with a lot of knowledge in Dickerson tapers. 0.078 I fish mostly Michigan streams where you are wading the stream casting to the edges, and casting to rising fish wherever you are lucky enough to find them. Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. 0.288 We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. I've also made an 8-1/2' with tip dimension of .072, which made a really nice 6/7 weight. In the upper left corner, in blue, you'll see the real measurements we took, for all 3 flats at each measurement point. (Robin Haywood), Why don't you design some roll casting ability into every rod? 13/12. Narrow steam but very exposed and windy thus needing a #5 line? 0.111 0.138 It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. .334@35 I can add that there is not one single straight line taper for each line weight. From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. Your projected experiment may be described as simplistic and wasteful of time by some, but I think that you will learn a very great deal about what you personally like about taper rates. 80 0.3 42 .194 .066 (Max Satoh), Yep, the drop at the ferrule is .014 which should call for the use of a step down. 10 .310 .159 Even then I wince about their roll casting deficiencies. by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. (Rich Jezioro). The taper is designed for trout fishing. There are no great tapers and nobody invented anything. (Greg Reeves). 6 wt 0.0752 Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) .288@30 I'm satisfied with my bamboo fly rod, even though the female metal Ferrule opening was a little big and the male ferrule on the second section would slip out after a few cast. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. You can design a flyrod, racing bicycle, airplane or motorcar to do one thing superbly with ease. Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. Chris acquired one shortly thereafter. Regarding Chris Bogart's Dickerson. Some people call them "step-down" but it is worth noting that the top and the bottom openings of his ferrules are usually the same diameter; the "step" across the ferrule occurred in the bamboo, not the metal. I can always build another and I'm sure I will. If you are designing a rod based on a linear taper and you want to make it a 3 or 4 piece instead of a 2, how would this be taken into account? Unknown, so I would hesitate to speculate. The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. If you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. 0.278 That's the "raw cane" numbers. (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? (four piece) carbon fiber fly rod blank $85.00 13' 7/8wt. 0.214 The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. It throws up some very interesting facts. (Robin Haywood). 0.248 I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? He took the first step to improving them, inadvertently, you say, by fining down the tips. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. It has a butt swell of about .070 also. (Bob Norwood). That's like saying that only the 49ers could find gold. We now have solid parameters around which to modify, to refine rod design characteristics. (Nick Nasello), I made the Dickerson 8615 last year for lake bass and liked it but it does get to be a bit if a bear to cast after about 3 hours. He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. Measured over varnish. 2023 Spinoza Rod Company. the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. As a general rule, a 12/64 gives you a four weight, a 13/64 a five, 14 or 15 a six. This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". Dickerson 8615 - 8.5ft 2pc 7wt Posted by Gary Lohkamp,15 Jan 1997. I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. (Robin Haywood). (If memory serves me right Tony Young sells step down ferrules for Dickerson rods, so you may try that. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. I fail to see anything in the manor of specifications for your making a point that you feel there is a difference between the two, in fact I would like to show you that they are, under the right conditions, EXACTLY THE SAME. All of which indicates to me that there is not one 'correct' straight line taper. The 7012 HB is super light, and can cast with the best of them. 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